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shrugs
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There is no evidence of quantum function in the brain, to my knowledge.
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the science doesn't need to exist for it to be actual-- it never did (edited)
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That's quantum mysticism.
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going with something like that is extremely uncharacteristic fear
4:28 PM
that's what I mean by it being determinstic
4:28 PM
if you get rid of the fear then we'll be closer to the same result
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chroma
the science doesn't need to exist for it to be actual-- it never did (edited)
That argument applies to everything. And you're wrong.
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call it what you will, all signs indicate it's the best description we've got, today. (edited)
4:28 PM
we're spoopy as heck
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We're simplistic as heck, what're you talking about?
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chroma
people use this term like they know what they're talking about
Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:29 PM
Ikr? 😂
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We're beautiful complex, inifinitely deep
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We are a simple input output of emotion, data, and passive levels of bodily chemicals translated into action.
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The complexity comes from the sheer scale of the variables, not how they work.
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mm I politely beg to differ
4:30 PM
we're basically magical beings
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Based on...?
4:30 PM
What about our behaviour is mystical?
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Zen
We're simplistic as heck, what're you talking about?
Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:31 PM
I think the human being, specifically the brain, is probably just about the most complex thing that exists in the universe (as far as we know). Molecules and galaxies are simplistic. In the middle is where it gets complex, and nowhere moreso than the human being
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Can you give me an example I can't unravel as the result of those three things? (edited)
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Unfastened Belts
I think the human being, specifically the brain, is probably just about the most complex thing that exists in the universe (as far as we know). Molecules and galaxies are simplistic. In the middle is where it gets complex, and nowhere moreso than the human being
Galaxies include brains though.
4:32 PM
That makes them significantly more complex.
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:32 PM
I agree with both of you though, because even though while we're the universe at its most complex, our actions are still "explainable", at least in terms of resulting from our genetic makeup and life conditioning/circumstance
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Zen
Galaxies include brains though.
Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:32 PM
Well duh, and brains are made of molecules
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I think you're underselling the complexity of galaxies, I mean, have you looked at our sun, I mean, really looked at it?
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That's a bad idea don't look at suns.
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:33 PM
No, that's harmful for your eyes
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:33 PM
I mean yes chroma galaxies and molecules are still relatively complex!
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:34 PM
That's the sun's magnetic field huh?
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If we look at brains as seperate from galaxies I tentatively agree. There is a reason we have not been able to fully model the brain, but we can model galactic movement. Even if we don't fully understand the dark-matter/energy component.
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:34 PM
Yeah, exactly
4:35 PM
Brains are where molecules and galaxies meet to produce a conscious experience of the universe. And in that sense, brains are both deterministic and magical (edited)
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The nature of the universe is that it gets colder and more complex.
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you need to be less assertive
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:35 PM
edited*
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like I get slight allergies standing in ths room with you
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being beaten down by waves of empty skepticism
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It is inevitable that more complexity than the brain arises.
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because you look literally at the science
4:35 PM
and it's like the scientists are 'mysticism's' greatest advocates now
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:35 PM
True Zen
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because they're saying, the Universe is basically really really really beyond the mainstream cultural idea of it.
4:36 PM
far more complex, far more spoopy, challenging to notions of reality itself,
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real implications right here on Earth to stuff being observed at the large and small end of physics
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and people are still operating on basically 100-year old scientific ideas about reality (edited)
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You're saying a lot of mystical things without being concrete.
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that's fine
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Any old example that's unexplainable by science would be cool. Reality changing for me, really.
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:38 PM
Okay here me out you two
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Just because it's science doesn't mean that it's not magical!
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The universe is fucking incredible, ineffable really
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you're shifting all the burden to me
4:39 PM
you're not doing any intellectual lifting on your own
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You're making claims without claiming things, of course I am?
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but sure let me throw you some links
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I have asserted my position.
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you're welcome to your position
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:39 PM
Dang why y'all so heated? lol
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I thought we were just having fun
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it's not essential to me that you agree with me
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if you want to believe anything you want, go ahead
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:40 PM
Where did yaya go 😢
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there are so many things, please don't think i'm going in any particular order
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I am not particularly heated. Though my mode of talking might come across as patronizing, I've noticed. I actually always talk like this.
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You're uploading complicated educational videos on a number of quantum theory topics
4:41 PM
You're not claiming anything.
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Again.
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Literally all you've said is "Magic!"
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like i said you aren't willing to do the lifting. I can't do your understanding for you. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot make them them drink. (edited)
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what are you claiming? (edited)
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:42 PM
Ooh ooh ooh I've got a song for that!
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For example you made the claim that we, and our brains are quantum devices. (edited)
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Show me a source for this.
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Quantum science does not operate on all levels of reality.
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o__O did you really just say that?
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quantum science describes things that take place on a macroscopic scale, it does not apply across the board to all of physics
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relativistic physics for example, has nothing to do with quantum physics, essentially.
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Ah, now you get to at least one real example: On this point there are birds which do interact with quantum physics in order to navigate, converting the data into blueshifted light, from what I gather in order to visualize it.
4:46 PM
But again, this is an observable interaction with quantum physics. Where is the interaction you are describing? (edited)
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anyway, i made my point
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Once again: why is the functioning of our brain quantum?
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you're kind of hard to be around when you're like this
4:46 PM
gone
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Fair enough. But I mean... it isn't. It's neurons firing basic electrochemical signals in a very complex structure.
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The only thing I would say is that if you think you've made a point you're... I don't know how to say it other than... Where?
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The only thing you've claimed is that the brain is a quantum device. The rest has been intentionally vague.
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One claim that is observably not true, versus a whole lot of nothing.
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